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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Ekona » Fri May 05, 2017 3:23 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39816044

Oooh, get you sir!

Funny though, even I laughed when he said it.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby RB » Fri May 05, 2017 3:34 pm

He is such a cunt.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Mr.Clark » Fri May 05, 2017 8:54 pm

Joe wrote:when you're already in power and about to embark on something as important as taking the country out of the EU, calling an election just to reinforce your domestic position seems childish and obsessive. There's no tactical advantage to gain.
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Mind you, there's a suggestion the Tory expenses investigation is forcing her hand in calling the election, to some extent. Securing a strong mandate through a quick election victory will go a long way to distract from the shit being stirred up by the Electoral Commission and increase her government's perilously slim majority.

You got it. Worst case for her (assuming she wins, which I can't really see not happening at this point), she increases her majority in the Commons and gets a full five year term and able to more legitimately claim "her" mandate.

Best case, Corbyn doesn't resign after losing and there is no effective opposition.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Captain Sisko » Sun May 21, 2017 2:13 pm

A lot of my friends who follow Politics more closely were saying quite early this year if Theresa May called an election it would effectively destroy the opposition.

I have a few friends who are Labour to the core - and 1 friend who says if you like the policies regardless of the leader then vote for that (meaning people like Labour policy but not Corbyn)
For me Corbyn isn't the problem - Diane Abbot and her Racism speeches, Ken Livingstone who has thing about Zionists and other Labour MPs are. I can't vote Labour if there was a chance of those elements in Corbyns cabinet

Do I like and Trust the Tories? No, but I trust them more than Labour!!
Lib Dems and Tim Phallus? Forget being Bold and Yellow, they seem more like a piss stain
Green - Quite a stable party, no in house fighting but some of the things they say can be a little cuckoo and out there!!
UKIP - Even Paul Nuttall has said vast majority of UKIP voters are going to vote blue

Phew you cant say the Political world isn't interesting and active atm!!

On another subject - My cousin sister has never voted (shes 22/23)
me and my siblings were like WTF!!! as when we were of age we were like helll yeah we can vote!! but todays youngsters seem to just want to "like" things on FB or social media and that's it.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Ekona » Sun May 21, 2017 2:30 pm

I've genuinely no idea why the yoof of today are happy to complain very loudly on social media and think up witty memes, but won't actually do anything about it by actually voting.

But then, hasn't it been ever thus? Young people have never really voted in great numbers.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Captain Sisko » Sun May 21, 2017 2:55 pm

When I was in secondary (we weren't old enough to vote!) and we were already talking about voting Lib Dems (back before Blair took power)
We were young and naive then :P

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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby RB » Sun May 21, 2017 3:01 pm

It's a vicious circle. The young won't vote because politicians don't represent their needs and politicians don't care about the needs of the young because it doesn't get or lose them votes because the young don't vote.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Joe » Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:05 am

72% turnout for 18-25 year olds.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby RB » Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:19 pm

And now we're more fucked than if they'd stayed at home. But less fucked than if it was 100%.
The only good thing that happened is that Scottish independence is off the table.
Shambles.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Ekona » Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:57 pm

I'd rather Corbyn won outright. This is just an absolute shambles, and is going to be worse for everyone than if either side had got a majority. Bizarre to see the winners being disappointed and the losers celebrating. JC is showing his true colours though, telling TM to resign because clearly no-one likes her: Didn't stop him sticking around when none of his MPs actually wanted him, did it?

But lols at Salmond losing, almost makes it worth it.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Joe » Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:12 pm

Yeah it is a shambles. That's what happens when you gamble your position for a better one and fuck it up, which is now apparently a Tory PM signature move.

Oh well. Democracy happens, no point moaning about it eh?

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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby RB » Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:19 pm

Politicians don't really run anything anyway. Life will continue.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Helios » Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:31 pm

If only less 40+ years old people turned out to vote Tory.
They've helped May fuck this country harder.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby RB » Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:07 pm

The problem with that is that the young people who've voted Labour are too young to remember the reason we have austerity now. It is because the last Labour government spent money we don't have on the things that Jeremy wants to spend it on again.

The last Labour government left the country with huge debts that we can never pay off and Jeremy wants to borrow more to pay for his socialist dream.

His plan to tax the rich simply wouldn't work. My boss who would have been taxed more under Jeremy, told me he'd either shuffle money around so he didn't have to pay more or simply leave the country.

Despite voting Tory in the last two elections, I'm not a lifelong Tory supporter but I remember what a mess Labour made of the country with uncontrolled spending and borrowing and they haven't learned from it.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Helios » Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:34 pm

Stop spreading lies.
The reason our debt is so high is because of a GLOBAL final crash in 2008.
Before that our national debt was stable.
Whatever government was in power would have had to borrow money to keep the country afloat.

When are Tories going to stop blaming every problem on a government that was last in power seven years ago?

Since the beloved Tories got into power they've conveniently altered their own targets on deficit reduction.
They have reduced the amount borrowed, yes.
They've also almost destroyed our public services with their austerity plans.
Guess what? Our debt level is still going up.
They would probably have to privatise every single thing, reduce public spending to zero to sort out the problem.

Then they'll sit there laughing while the proles live in shitty slums and the corporations owning everything "shuffle money around" so that they don't have to pay more.
I don't know why you look up to those thieves.

Look at the pretty graphs here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39897498

I also read this:
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/st ... xed-it-yet
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