Dan wrote:So the Welsh assembly have passed legislation stating that Wales will move to a presumed consent / opt-out system from December 2015.
This is good news. The shortage of organs we currently have leads to many unnecessary deaths, and much suffering.
I don't think these changes are enough though. They'll only apply to Wales -- this needs to be countrywide. Hopefully it will spur England and Scotland into action. I also personally think that in addition to presumed consent / opt-out, opting out ought to mean that you will be ineligible to receive an organ from the national register.
RB wrote:It's not even related to my natural selection based belief that coast guards shouldn't rescue people on lilos.
RB wrote:Maybe I'm a monster and maybe my view would change if I were to experience the need for a spare liver first hand but as it stands, I'm against it.
Polito45 wrote:Well, first of all...RB wrote:It's not even related to my natural selection based belief that coast guards shouldn't rescue people on lilos.
But then...RB wrote:Maybe I'm a monster and maybe my view would change if I were to experience the need for a spare liver first hand but as it stands, I'm against it.
No, you're not a monster, but I'm absolutely certain (unless you have some fucked up religious reasons) that you simply haven't thought through the likely
scenarios in which you would ultimately decide if you were for or against organ donation.
If someone you loved was laying in a hospital bed with not much time to live because their liver or whatever was failing,
and the body of a young guy was laying in a room down stairs who had just died in a road traffic accident but who had a perfectly good liver or whatever.
And he either carried a doner card or his family consented to have his organs harvested.
What would you do? Are you saying you'd say - ah no, it's ok. I don't really believe in that kind of thing???
I don't think so. Everyone would be allowed access to the organ pool so long as they met the medical criteria (which already exist and are in place), and had not made the decision to opt out of it. We already bar people from having organs on various grounds -- be that medical, or when they make poor decisions about their healthcare (e.g. people with alcoholic liver disease who continue to drink) -- in order to protect the extremely precious and limited number of donated organs. If people (~1000/year) are going to continue to die for want of an organ -- which they will for the foreseeable future -- then I'd rather it be someone who has made the selfish decision that they wouldn't want to help someone in their own situation than someone who has demonstrated that they would.Ekona wrote:Bit controversial, that last bit Dan. Surely it goes against the whole ethos of the NHS?
Yeah, obviously this would have to be introduced alongside an 'opt out' system.Personally I quite like the idea, but only with a presumed consent law else it would be really harsh on some uneducated folk. I'm a donor now, never used to be though as I didn't feel comfortable with my body being hacked up after death. I'm cool with that now though, knowing I'll live twice as long is somewhat appealing.
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