EU - In or Out?

[RB]

Discuss or just vote...

[kingweed]

Yes, yes we should.

Would help with boarder control for a kick off and the stupid EU laws like the ones on agriculture, justice

[Mr.Clark]

I don't know. I have lots of homework to do.

In the simplest terms, do I want to vote the way Cameron wants, or the way Farage wants?

Urgh.

I think I'm leaning towards "No", but as I say. Research.

[Helios]

I want to stay in.
Because we need to create a European super state to help form a United Earth government.

It said so in Star Trek.

[Ekona]

In. Much like the Scot vote, until I can see sensible reasoned numbers as to why we'd be better off out, then I see no reason to change things.

Immigration won't change as we need the labour, laws won't change as we tend to ignore the really stupid ones (votes for prisoners, any one?), and all it will do is drive up prices and bring uncertainty to the markets meaning more financial woes.


I was watching Andrew Marr this morning, who had Sturgeon and Farage and CMD on. CMD was smarmy as you'd expect, Farage a typical geezer, but Sturgeon OMG WHAT A CUNT! I actually agree with her view in staying in, but why does everything have to come back to the fact she lost a vote?! She said that all the Scots voted to stay in the EU so it was wrong to try and leave: No, they voted not to leave the UK! And she said that the EU is the only thing stopping Tories doing whatever they want: No, that's actually exactly what the UK voted for, the Tories to run everything by themselves!

Yes, I'm ignoring it wasn't a majority of the population but it's the way our system works so deal with it. Why she feels she has to belittle every person who didn't vote the way she wants astounds me, she's the epitome of selfish politics and I have no idea why anyone likes the cunt.

[kingweed]

[Ekona]

So we can either be part of the 22%, or we can be 2% on our own? I'm not sure that's helping the Out case.

How much has the US economy dropped in percentage terms between '73 and projected for '25? It's down to China being super-awesome, not the EU or US being useless.

[Helios]

Has world GDP not increased since 1973?
22% of current GDP is probably more than 37% of 1973's GDP.

As Ekona said, China has grown ridiculously since then.
So has India.
Economic growth moves about. There's nothing that can be done about it.

[kingweed]

It was more about the commonwealth being better than the EU.

Grass is always greener!

Countries on their own do well as well, could do a Norway I suppose.

[RB]

I want out purely because out is different and the same old shit isn't working.
If they tore down the EU and rebuilt it from scratch with all the current members in mind and the modern world in mind that would be worth staying in but the fucked up, cobbled together mess that the EU has become is not something worth staying in.

[Mr.Clark]

It was more about the commonwealth being better than the EU.

Grass is always greener!

Countries on their own do well as well, could do a Norway I suppose.

Isn't the Norwegian economy built on oil? How's that doing at the moment?

Also, I've heard that the wealth gap in Norway is a lot narrower than over here, so just because it works for them, doesn't necessarily mean it would work for us...

[bananahead]

What a stupid argument. It would be exactly the same if you looked at the UK on it's own. Or even the USA.

What Britain needs to understand is that it isn't great anymore. So they should stop pretending.

As some of you know, I live in Switzerland. That is not part of the EU. But they have implemented most EU laws anyway. Free movement of labour. Yes. Schengen. Yes. Bendy cucumbers. No.

[MEGAHYDER]

I can't honestly understand people who think we'd be better off outside the EU.

Humanity needs to fucking come together, work together. The EU is an ideology we should all strive for as much as a practical union.

I also think the people who moan about EU laws are all fucking idiots. So much good has come from the EU especially the in the realm of consumer protection. (read this to find a quick list http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/j ... er-done-us)

I sincerely believe everyone who wants to leave is a moron, a racist or both.

[RB]

The EU as it stands is a stupid ideology. It essentially says that a person from a tiny village in the foothills of the Caucasus is the same as an urbanite from Berlin. That is not, and never be workable. People are different and the EU forces them to be the same.

It's more racist to support the EU as it strives to destroy individuality and sovereignty.

It comes from the old Imperial standpoint of join us and be like us.

[Helios]

Why should the two people you mentioned not have the same right to travel, live and work?